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All right. So today is Saturday, November 15th, 2003. This is Barbara Lau. I'm at the Hayti Heritage Center in Durham, North Carolina. And, uh, as part of the, uh, Durham Civil rights Heritage Project, I'm talking with Evelyn mckissick and Sha Charmaine mckissick Melton. So I don't

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have that situation from New York. Yeah. No, I understand. Ok. So, um, you know, it's on now. Yeah. Is that ok? All right. Um, I think that, um, there's some ground that you've probably been interviewed before you come from a pretty famous family here in Durham.

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Um, I know your husband was a, an attorney who was very active during the civil rights movement. And your daughter Joyce Lynn was the first African American to attend Durham high school. Durham. Go ahead. She was, she was not the first to enter. She was the

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first to graduate from Durham High school. See, we had, that's why I had a piece of paper with a suit on it, but we had, I sued for Joly to get the food and because of that they wouldn't ever steal. Andre was the first to, you

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know, car junior high school and there was some brain Children, other people that entered Durham High School in August when she graduated in, in uh that some, when school closed, she was the first black to graduate from Durham high school. Ok. So when she, when Joycelyn

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went in, there were, well, there were several other they started and Joycelyn started in October of her senior year and she graduated that year. So she's the first black to graduate from Durham High school, but not the first to enter. Tell me, what was it like

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to be her mother though? I mean, you were probably the person when she came home from school. No, I picked him up every day because you know what? They would, they would hold those doors, let them in or out of their home and they had so

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many things happen to them whenever there. I'm telling you this too. You cut it off. I don't know how much you want me to tell me the truth. I'm telling you the truth. My husband told me to turn the cheek cheek like the bible said second

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year, Miss Self. And see, I don't know what to call these names and stuff because Miss Self was charge of all the, the nutritional value in, in schools. I don't know who's there now. And her son was in Andre's class. Well, they had just gotten it

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done and he spit in her face and she passed, she passed on and get on to the fire and she went as fast as she could go and then she came back and spit right in his face and then spit over. So when they did that,

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what they had done to them, it started. And Andre is your oldest daughter? No, Jocelyn is my oldest daughter, Andre. Andre was the second girl and she, she and Henry Vickers integrated uh Carr junior high school. And when they get, so when they got, they, they

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were in with eighth grade, when went there. So when they got one year later I went to high school, this is what happened. Well, so is that the, you know, you said, your husband said, turn on the cheek. Is that what advice you gave to your

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Children when they went off to school? No, I did not what you tell them. Oh, you mean these, the kids that were integrating the schools? What'd you tell them? Well, the daddy had already told them that. So I didn't need to tell them again. I cared

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in that school I carried in my hand, picked them up and my Children gave the so called Children. You understand what I'm meaning, uh competition because that Andre, whatever they had over there was a contest of what mom I want to win it and she, you

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know, come in and win it. Yeah, I got up, went on, on the other side of town, got all my friends, you know, take the scription and magazines or whatever it might be. And when it came to dressing, yeah, they gave a competition anyway. In fact,

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the first year Henry Vickers and Andre, when we got to the school, the principal said, I can say this on that. Uh we, we have picked out special subjects for them special teachers. I said, no, don't teach, treat them special. I want them to take every

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subject. They signed up with junior high school to take one of those subjects was banned. Andre played clarinet and Henry Vickers played saxophone. So they had to be in the band and they, when they got ready to try on the costumes, I went on there with

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them because Henry's mother never acted as a mother. In fact, I don't know whether they ever seen, seen it one time I acted like his mother. I went to get him every morning and get him back home every day at school. And when, when, like I

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said, when they didn't, when they need tutoring, I got people over here that I knew friends of mine teaching the same subject to teach and I came to the tutoring classes and you know, that type of thing. This child knows most of that stuff. Tell him,

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finish. Tell him about the band. Oh, yeah. So I fitted, they got fitted for this band uniform and they got the band, it wasn't fitting them. So I had it fitted. So they were fitting the good. And when they were in the parade and after they

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go into the Christmas parade, they cut all band out of the school because they didn't want to see these two blue spots there in the, in the parade. They made him mad and, and here in Durham High, put clothes up their swimming pool with dirt so

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it wouldn't have no physical aid. They couldn't make swimming. You'd be surprised. I, I don't know what you may tell everything, but at least you're in because when I got to school one day, Andre came in the car and was crying and she said they tried

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to put her in the, put her head in the toilet too. I got out of the car, went in there to see the, the, uh, the uh, like Miss Loves the guidance counselor, guidance counselor. And, uh, and, and, you know, told her what happened. Uh, but

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it was, it was like that, oh, when Jo got to school, like after the first week she had a beautiful yellow dress on and they had fountain pens in. Just keep the ink, put ink up over there. Then they, they, they knocked in the head at

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the lockers and I had to go pick up, she was unconscious. I had to take her to the hospital, came to the doctor. You don't know what they went through. And naturally it didn't make mother feel good, but I didn't stop. I was right there with

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them. Any time they call, even when she went in, was it down in the Warren County schools? New York? I don't care what school it is. Don't miss my Children. Well, I'm gonna be that, tell you about it. They come, tell her in New York you

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can't be emotional. I'm emotional right now. You can't be emotional. You, there's no way you can't be emotional if you go through all the things that we had to go through. So what kept, you know, I mean, that must have been really hard every day. Your

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kids come home from school, they tell you what happened often. They were, they would tell me in the car going back home and see a lot of those two Children, my Children are the only ones or financially able to appreciate a lot of things like going

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to the fair. They've never been to fair when they start when they were in school system. Uh, and if you're in a so called white schools, they gave you, the school was out and they gave you tickets to go to fair. So I called Mutual Savings

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and loan my cancer if I was buying and, and, uh, North Carol Mutual and I, I said I get some money for these Children so they can appreciate and do everything. But I'm gonna take them to the fair. I took every one of them to the

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fair along with all my Children and stayed there that had fireworks and they enjoyed everything. I bought one meal for them and then that money I had from those people volunteers. They had what they did. Anything they want to do to fast. So, were there other

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mothers that were involved with you? Do you know any other was there? Well, no, because I'm not sure too many other people had the flexibility. You know, they didn't see, they didn't send their Children. These are people here in Durham didn't send their Children after like

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about the third year when it was everything, it eased off and then you didn't go through all this situation I'm telling you about now, then they send him, I was gonna say, I think he also would agree that the majority of the people that went at

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the very beginning, like with Jocelyn, um and Andre and Andre, right, they, they weren't from the prominent backgrounds because the middle class African Americans. And so their parents wouldn't be involved. They called, you see, and she, it may be difficult for their parents to be involved

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because they lose their jobs. That's right now, shame, entered in third grade. So by that time, Brady Davis was here a minister of Union Baptist church. So his daughter psyche was in third grade and that was dry and nobody was with Flo Flo was in sixth

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grade. Now that was another thing in sixth grade. They asked grade mothers. So I held my hand to be one. I'm on a black spot there anyway. And they voted, oh, I think we, we didn't count that. Right. They voted three times before I still got

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in and I got in. Yeah. What, what, what did grandmother have to do, take care of the class during lunch time and whatever subject she had after I went on there? And one of the boys said to me, Miss mckenzie, you're nice. Just like my mama.

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They were shocked. So then yeah, they called me back cause I, I don't have no discipline problem. They asked you something else too. I think, I think they asked you something else you're not remembering right now. Something that reminds you of a story about daddy in

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France and African Americans and growing tails. Oh yes. I don't know how to ask that question. I don't know how to ask it but it did. This was in a war. My husband was in the second World War and in England, the people, English people thought

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that black folks t will come out at 12 o'clock at night. So they would stay there in Williams when the tail come out on top and the kids in school ask you that question too. Uh One child did ask me that I don't know where it

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was openly or whether it was, you know, but they did ask me that is the, is the hair that is we me. I'm not moving it Thank you. No problem. I appreciate that. Well, so, so you weren't really like the other mothers? I mean, in a

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sense as, as Charmaine suggested because, um, you'd grown up a little bit differently. I, I'm interested in how you were prepared for this. You see, I was born in Asheville, North Carolina, the last child in my family and I was born with a silver spoon in

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my mouth. I have never at this point been to a public school and it was all the way. And white kids used to come steal my toys. They lived on the back street where it was Dirt Street and they come and they come play but then

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they won't take your photos on them. They won't steal your toys. So see, I'm not, I, I have never been like the average, maybe a black child includes my husband when we went to, when we were in Ville to his mother's 50th anniversary. And I had

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never seen the segregation like that. He didn't live on the south town. I lived on uh until he was 11 years old. Then he moved over there. Uh And so we we, they uh they gave us the bill and his sister didn't have no money, didn't

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pay their share in it. So we had to pick up the bill. I don't remember how much it was. Not several 1000. And uh so they were gonna, they called the police on us. We had every credit card that you ever remembered in our pockets. I

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don't care whether it was downs card, a card blanc. I don't care what it was and they were receiving it, they wouldn't take it. They wanted cash on me for several $1000. Who's gonna walk around with cash in the hand? So they called the police. So

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why they were calling the police? We decided a few things. I said, I said, give me some dimes and I called because the president of the United States had sent a message down to congratulate his parents. Like I said, there ain't many people being from the

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White House for dinner and now living in the poll house. But I, so I got on the phone and the lady was gonna have an article in Asheville Citizen Times on Sunday morning. This was Saturday night. I said, I called at the house and she said

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she's gone, she's in, in, in playing card somewhere. I said, well, she won't start get over here in 10 minutes. There's another side of this story. We talked about the usual things in the immigration period. But when they were going to arrest us, were you there,

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John Andre, she was there. My brother in law was there, Dr mccain from New York and uh in Florida. So he said now if they arrest us, they were modeling thing and they had all new televisions on there. He said, let's kick them out break them

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on our way out. You see, you thought, you thought most people thought this, this uh all about this picketing and everything was an impromptu thing. Most of it was playing in my living room on 125th street and Rock Street Durham, including that city and move. That

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was in, in Durham, in Greensboro. And my husband was the lawyer of all of them. And then when she was asking about him, they missed that one part of his life. So she said from integrating Durham, he was the one who invited Martin Luther King first

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to Durham. Well, then in 1966 the sixth day of the sixth day, six months, the sixth day of 66 we moved to New York and he was head of the civil rights organization. And so we lived there in New York and he believed in living where

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the problem was. Yeah, I had problems in New York and when I was telling you about being emotional that was in New York City and at a music art school, you got that on. Why do you tell me anything that was wrong? You said a lot

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of good stuff. Well, let me ask you something. You know, you said a lot of stuff was planned in your living room. So what were you having to do when all these people were coming over to the house all the time that I had, I had

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people I had all races and all kinds and all people. In fact, one night we were Union Baptist, not uh Durham Union Baptist Church having a uh rally. And my, I left about 5, 10 minutes before it was because we had a lot of people from

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co organization, the National National Co Convention. And to tell me and Jo ran down there and told me, I said, Mama dad is invited the whole congregation down to your house to my house. So I heard from the garbage people to the head of North Carolina

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Neutral there. How do you prepare for it? She was prepared for 50 to 100 and that was more for a sit down kind of dinner buffet. I remember that um Wombles Grocery was at the corner. So she sent me to the grocery to get Ritz Crackers.

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So what was gonna be, they can all these little things they have HD hors d'oeuvres because one person I don't remember who it was. Now. Something from one of these uh whiskey companies came and bought, had, bought one of beer. I mean, they got strong drinks

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for all the congregation and I have a plan in the living room with beautiful flowers in it and they used like the garbage can, they put the cans in there and the cigarettes in there and everything. I didn't see that the next morning, but I stayed

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there, you know, some of those people stay there. And so I couldn't have a buffet dinner. I had it either. Oh, I just pulled out the plate and serve, you know, this, uh, yeah, I had choices like a meat and I had to split one on

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one and one on the other and keep on. That's the only way I can serve the people there. But, you know, you get used to doing those kind of things. One Christmas, they were integrating the school, the, uh restaurants in Chapel Hill and I had 100

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and 20 people there for Christmas dinner at my house. Most of them were not, uh, Af African Americans and they were all races and they came and sat down had, thank Christmas done. You must have had a big house. I did. Well, it was, yes, I

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had a lot of really life size and I had some rooms where you could just have these doors that you open up and make it a bigger room that was between my, my, my uh dining room and dining room. And then how did you feel about

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that? How did you feel about being kind of the, the, the person in charge of entertainment? I didn't mind it, but I would give my husband a little proper afterward. She don't do this again, but then I just would take off one hat and put on

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another. So tell me about the different hats you wore. So one of them was the hostess hat. What were the other hats he wore mother hat, just name it because I was all that to all the Children that were in Agra school. Not only mine, there

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was one of the girls Durham High the year after Jo and the color of Durham High were red and white and she didn't have any proper clothes to wear. So I school, they all come to my house to ride to school and I come back and

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pick them up and, uh, I went downtown and bought her a red and white outfit from Baldwin's and cared too and car in the restroom to see that she was changing and they gave her no problem. So I was the mother of all of them. Well,

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now, when you, how many kids would come to your house every day to get driven to school? Well, depending upon the year. Uh, what about that first year? Oh, first year. Nobody, just your family. And you had kids at that point in elementary school the first

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year? My, these were not old enough to go to that school. So they, and they had only integrated the junior high and high school. So I didn't have anybody but my own Children. Oh, Henry Vickers. Yeah. 1950 Jocelyn started Hills. Uh, 59 Joyce Durham High. So

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she graduated in 1960. She started school. Yeah, out though at Hillside. So Hillside Play as a 60 still recognize her as a 1960 graduate. That's nice. Mhm. So, you know, you were kind of the, the mother to all the kids who were doing the school, you

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were going to school and you were queen of the entertainment. Clearly, that sounds like that was a very big job. Did you, we do, would you also consider yourself an advisor? I mean, and do you, did you have uh play a role in terms of, I

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did play a role in some advise each year that they, those Children in, in grade schools had any problems. They have come to me. And when Shama integrated school in third grade and psyche Davis and John and they started a little club, the PPD CPD CS,

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they have the initial of their first names and it was just for the Children that had integrated the schools and that was at the elementary school. She was in 63 and they kept that going until we moved to New York. And what kind of things did

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the PD CS do? Uh This is my interview now, I like it. The P DC stood for psyche Darryl and Doris Charmaine and Charlotte. And we were all neighborhood friends, but we all had also uh integrated public schools and we were only one or two in

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the classroom. So still within a year or two. And um we did entertainment things, but somehow I was always president big mouth that I am. Uh So actually we had a scholarship fund, we had a little yard sale. We do little bake sales and things out

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in the yard. It was just more of a social organization. Were you an advisor to your husband as well? On some things? How did that work? It worked fine. See, when he died, which he forgot to mention too, he was a judge and that by that

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time he was ill. And so I had to drive him to um to work all the time and I called the bail and he meet me to get him, he was in a wheelchair to get him out of the car and to carry him to the

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room. And, uh, so I would, I, I sat in the seat when it wasn't a jury, I would sit in one of those jury seats if I saw him getting tired or too tired, I was, and then he said, oh, we'll take a little break. That

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was our co and then if it was, if he was too involved, otherwise I would call the beer over and give him a call from and tell him, please give it to my husband. And that was the second blow, you know, to, to go on and

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we go out for lunch and if I saw he wasn't reacting like he should have at lunch. I said, look, you need to take a break. So he go in and say, we'll, we'll, we're gonna close co for today. But yeah, when he was younger. And

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you were living here in Durham? Were you an adviser to him? Then? What you see, we got married when I was in Asheville, North Carolina and I was young and he was young and I was about 18 and he was 20 and we, uh, my mother

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got on the train with us and, uh, of course, we got married secretly and we went to Greenville, South Carolina. I got married by the Justice of Peace. There must be a story here. Why did you get married secretly? Oh, no, we just, well, he was

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in the army and he had a fur. That's his first furlough. And I just finished designing Zoo in designing school in New York. And I had to start actually working. I was just out of school. And so we, he, he was telling they, he went to,

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he went, he been in the army, he went overseas and stayed four years. So we decided to go and get married and we did. And then I decided I left school in New York and had a job off it there. I worked in designing uh from

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a design school. I had a job in a bridal factory, finishing garments. And so I went to school and I told him I was checking out, I was going back to live in uh Fette, North Carolina cause that's where he was stationed. He was stationed at

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Full, right? And I went back to Fayetteville North Carolina and I stayed there and of course I got pregnant during that time. So then went back, I stayed there until about, you know, as long as I could and then went on to Asheville, North Carolina. And

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Jocelyn was born in Asheville and the doctor that delivered her was the same doctor that delivered her daddy. That's great. And you see, I'm not an unusual person cause see, I went in labor the night before she got, she was born. But you know what? I

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went on to the beer bottle and got my hair fixed before going to the hospital. Yes, I did before I even called the doctor which was stupid. But you want to look good always and every child I had, I would do that the night before. So

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you always knew when they were coming. Not with me. No, she was, she was born on 31st and she's been born July the fifth. But that's all right. Now, now that was another story. The doctor, my regular doctor said, look, my kids said I stayed here

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and you and the baby is overdue. So now if you, you will take another doctor, I'll go on my vacation. I said, well, who do you offer? And he named one person? I said, no, I can't deal with that. And he called Charles Car. Charles Watts

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which is Constance's husband. And I said, yeah, if, if Charles will take me out to go and Charles Watson, that doctor Cook was only far as Cremo before I went in labor. And I got on the phone and I said, look, he came to my house

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and examined it and he said, yeah. And I said, ok, I went on to the hospital and so I told him, so he said, do you want me to give you some medicine for pain? I said, will it delay the the birth of this child? She

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said, yes, I said, no, I'll go cold shoulders. Every child I had, I gave natural child birth to got to be strong for that. In fact, doctor, doctor Cook delivered flo but I went in labor and see other people disturbed me. There were so many people,

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Lincoln Hospital and the next, the room was screaming and hollering till my pain stopped and my pains were coming every 53 to 5 minutes. So the next morning, he said, well, you have to go out there and next to the birthday. And I was in my

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bed next to her and I went out there. So when I felt like I was gonna have a baby again, I called the nurse and told to call. He said, I can't call him now. I said, thank you. I got up with my robe and went

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out in the hall and got a pay phone and called Doctor Cook and Barbara answered the phone and I said, tell Cook them phone phone I said, I cut to the cook. I'm ready now and don't carry me in, in the, uh, the living room cabin

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in the operating room and 5, 10 minutes after he was there, Floyd Junior was born. So I'm not the re, uh, uh, the average person in any way, in any way and see my background of, of doing things. Floyd got it from my family, not from

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his. My daddy would go out and look for the poor and take them food baskets on Thanksgiving. And at Christmas time before they had salvation Army, he would go out and get the chores for the Children and food. I wasn't brought up, brought up like a

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regular t what did your daddy do? He was head of the uh the Astral Country Club, uh golf course, which is now part of Grove Park Inn. Well, now you said you went and you moved to uh Fayetteville in order to be near your husband. What

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then brought you all to Durham. He was in school, he finished law school here and then he, he didn't pass the bar the first year because he had gone to, to UN C Chapel Hill to integrate the law school. And that happened while we were in

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New York on vacation after he finished. And so we rushed back here so he could enter and when he got over there, they put black snakes in his bed and everything else and they wouldn't let him go in the swimming pool, he climbed a fence and

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jumped in there. So we're not the educated person. Well, I want, I want, I know we don't have a lot of time, but I wanna ask you when you and your husband sat down and started to talk about your kids going to white schools. What, what,

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tell me about that conversation. Well, we had that conversation before we moved to Roxburgh Street. And the only reason I, I moved from Federal Street by the college to Rosburg Street in Florida as a baby. And even going into that house is not usual because it

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was a house by, uh, Needham Stein and they had dogs in there and everything and like, I don't know what, we sanded all the floors and then we got, and then they shall select them. And then they had to do everything in that house to clean

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it up because I wouldn't let my baby get down and crawl unless those floors to change. And my mother fortunately, or unfortunately, had just passed. So my daddy wasn't the usual person. I said they used to years ago they sold black people different insurance policies from

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white and he had a metropolitan policy that they didn't sell to white black folks. So she had died and my dad had it. So at a certain age, you got this much, a certain age that, but my sisters were old enough to get the whole thing.

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But I got the dividends off of that check and it's long until, uh, you know, I was 40 years old. So we took that money and I covered the floors. I called RC George. We, we used to work at seasonal books and I put carpet in

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all colors, carpeting on all those floors. So they'd be clean enough for my Children to be them. So when he sat down, you said you had that conversation before you moved to Roxburgh Street? Tell me about the conversation that you had about the kids going to

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school. I don't remember, but I wouldn't object because see where I went to school in Asheville, North Carolina. I thought it was a private school. It's a sister school. It was a high school to uh Bennett College. It was run by the Woman's Own Mission Society

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in the Method Episcopal Church or the me church. That's what it was Methodist church. And so I, most of my teachers were white or other races. We had about four in the whole school. Were you worried when, when you decided to do that? No, you weren't

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worried about your Children going to school. I from a child that played with these white and black Children, they stole my college. Remember? So why would I race? Doesn't bother me? It's the person, even when it comes to voting, I vote for the person, not the

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party because you see, I uh I uh I, I'd rather do that. See, we are a member of two party system. One year. My husband went to Democratic thing and I went to Republican. So you have a mind of your own. I go for whatever party,

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whoever the president is. I would go for that party. Hoser was there then I think. And, uh, so see one, he or I would have a foot in the door if he was a Republican, then I was a democrat. And we did the same thing with

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Children. Half of them were Republican and half a democrat. One year. I was a vice chairman of the Republican Party. Warren County and Floyd junior was, was chairman of the Democratic Party. Got it covered in the family. That's right. So you see, when your Children came

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home and the kids had treated him really badly. Did you ever have second thoughts? No. See, I had gone in there and took care of it for work at him because I picked him up from school and I just, during the year where your kids said,

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mom, I, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to go to this school. No, they were anxious to go and do what they had to do. And, you know, now one daughter today doesn't remember anything about it, but the other three are fine,

00:30:11.640 - 00:30:27.530

but she doesn't want to remember anything because it was a, it was such a hard time. She's the one that integrated junior high school, that's their Children that age are more um more problem anyway, whether they are integrated or they in their school that age, you

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have problem with Children. So when there were people in your living room talking about not just integrating schools, but doing, you know, planning all these marches, were you in the living room with them? So, what kind of role did you play? What kind of role did

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women play in that process? Maybe. How did I play? Tell me about you. That's right. You're not like anybody else. I mean, I'm not. So tell me about the role you played in those kind of discussions. If it's something I thought I could contribute, I wouldn't

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mention it if not. I just listen. Oh, I'd tell for it later now. You should do so. And so because I wouldn't want to do anything to embarrass him in it. And you see, when it comes to Durham, you all ought to go back and think

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about the real immigration in Durham. I knew doctor and Mrs Moore and they are the ones Dr Moore is the one that got all these people here. He got, he had two daughters, miss me and, and Mac Dougal and, and, uh, he, and, and, and he

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got all the folks and they married to, you know, the second daughter married into the Madole family. And no, that, yeah, that's the second daughter and the first daughter is married Acosta's mother, she married me. And uh so he started this stuff here. But you talking

00:31:46.050 - 00:32:01.750

about Wall Street, the Black Wall Street, Doctor Moore, they got those people here. And so often they forget about Doctor Moore. Now, constantly, sometimes Mitchell, her mother, her dad would go that far. But see, I believe in going back farther. See Mrs Moore used to come

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to Ville all the time when I was a child. In fact, I got pictures of myself with Aron and Virginia macdougal at my fourth birthday party. So like I said, I can use a channel. So you really had a lot of connections in Durham that were

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completely separate from your husband. They were totally. And so how did you use those connections to help support all this other work? I mean, you know, did you introduce your husband to these people later on? That's when I moved to Durham, all this Durham was a

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racist situation. And Jocelyn, my oldest child was in the fourth grade. These Children hadn't gone to school yet. I mean, you weren't, no, you hadn't started school. We weren't born. Oh, that's right. You weren't. So anyway, Joly came home one day. She was, she was walking

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to school then most of the time and she came home one day and said, I said, mom said, Marsha Goodness had a birthday party now, but they said I can't go. I got on my phone and called Evelyn K's mother. I said, now, what's this problem

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here? So that Sunday I decided I'd go up there and talk to her and I took a show. Me. No, Andre with me. And we, I said, George, you go ahead. I'll be up there in five minutes and then I talked to Mrs Evelyn Kennedy. So

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she knew who I was and where I was and where I came from and behind us where we lived on f street was uh OK. Other than that, uh I'm trying to think of his name. I can't think of his name. Now he's still living. He's

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never a Boule uh Frasier, uh llB Frazier and he, his two sons, but I had to with Floyd and Floyd, he lived there and he, he kept some students from and when he's going to law school, he stayed lb Fras house. And uh so his boys

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were really the first to integrate the undergraduate schools in Chapel Hill Frasier's boys. And um and while I was there, a person came in and, and Mr Fraser said, I want you to meet her. And she came in, I said H Clinton H King. She said,

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Lynn Williams, she was my senior mentor at Howard. See, I finished high school when I was 14 and I was at Howard University when I was 15 and she was a senior when I was a freshman. And now she's Charmaine's godmother and she's living here in

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Durham, she's also the first African American professor that was tenured at the University of North Carolina. That's correct. That's correct. So, we have the usual people and I hate to kind of close this down, but my clock is ticking and we can start it again another

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day that I'd be more than happy to come talk to you again any more questions. And I very much.