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OK, let me just. Ok. Um This is Melissa Johnson and I'm here at the Durham Public Library documenting um stories from the community in Durham on their involvement in the civil rights movement. And I'm with Phyllis New Church. Are you all right? Yes, I am. So

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thank you for coming Phyllis. Um You brought in these materials. Let's start with this picture here. And who's this picture? That's the picture of my father. And uh he was an activist in Durham for a long, long time. Um He just made sure that everybody got

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out to vote and he made sure that uh the precincts were set up. He worked at one of the precincts of several of the precincts in Durham and that kind of thing. He also was instrumental in seeing to it that neighborhood people that uh lighting in

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the air street lights um was instrumental and see to it that they had mailboxes in their neighborhoods and that kind of thing. So, um even from childhood, I remember those kinds of things that he used to do in the community. What was his name? Fred Hines,

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William Frederick Hines senior. And was he originally from this community or did he move? He was originally born in Goldsboro, but he moved to Durham, uh, soon after he got married. Um, and it is, that's my mother. And, um, when did he marry her? And what

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was her name? Her name was Ele Jordan Hines. And, um, he married her in Goldsboro and they moved to Durham and, uh, she only lived, um, until I was six years old and then she passed away. So she was not as active in his life, you

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know, later on after, you know, after that time, you know, he was pretty much alone raising three Children. He had three Children. Ok. And was she originally from, um, and did they grow up together or, you know, I'm not really sure how they meant. No. Ok.

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Ok. So they came here to Durham, then he became involved in the community, right. And do you know what, um led him to become involved in the, in the community? I, that's just the kind of person he was outgoing, community minded, uh interested in people around

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the community and uh interested in what their needs were. I mean, the community just sort of looked after each other. And so if they had needs, they would always come to him and he would see to it that they got it. So he would, he would

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attend all the city council meetings and that kind of stuff that was, must have been unusual in that day. That would have been in the 19. It was the early thirties, uh, the way before anything we would call the. Exactly. Exactly. So he was interested even

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then, and seeing to the people got what they needed to get in the community, paved streets, sidewalks, that kind of stuff. Um, and were you in, were you aware of his involvement in the community? And, and was that something that yes, because when time came to

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vote, we had to help get out the flyers to encourage people to come to the polls and vote and that kind of stuff also sign people up for rides to go to the polls, that kind of stuff. So we had to help. So he had to

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help put out flyers. And is that something he encouraged then amongst his Children um that you become involved in your community as well? How we did it because we did it with him. So, you know, it just became a part of us. Um And so you,

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you tried to and get out the vote, what other kinds of um community activities was he involved in? Um he was um vice president of the A FL CIO uh when they came to unionize the American tobacco factory and the league of the mass tobacco factory.

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So he, he became vice president in, in years to come uh of that. And he also belonged to the um Durham Committee on Negro Affairs. He belonged to the N A AC P and those types of organizations very active in his church, Saint Mark Mez church

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did all sorts of things. One of these, um, pictures that she took on, I don't see, I don't see. Oh, this was, will outline some of the activities and his obituaries is some of the activities that he was interested in and worked in. Very diligently. So,

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labor was, um, definitely a concern. What kinds of issues um were, were labor facing at that time, low pay? Um And of course holidays and those kinds of things, uh people were, were not making what they should have been making for doing what they were doing.

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So after the union came in, they began to get better pay better um uh holidays and things like that for the people who were working. I mean, unions sort of demanded that they got what was due to. Um And with the labor was it primarily African

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Americans who were um affected by these labor concerns or it was, it was really everybody who was affected by it. So he was sort of representing all sides of the community at the same time. And um did, did he with his, with his work with the

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voting and other issues? Did he encounter any kind of um uh threats or I if so, I never heard of any, like everybody knew who he was and they just, you know, they knew that if he said something was going to happen, that it would probably

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happen because a lot of people at that time were not attending the council meetings. So they had no knowledge of what was going on in the council and he did. So they, they just sort of listen to him. Ok. So he wasn't that he didn't feel

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any danger for his family and I don't think he ever thought about it. I don't think he ever thought about it. Ok. Um, but he was very well known then in his words, respected. You probably said this when I was going, how did he make a

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living? He worked at the, uh li and Myers tobacco factory and became, he eventually became vice president of the A FL CIO when they initiated the unions in Durham for the factory workers because they had, they had a strong union there. Yes. Yes. I mean, in

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my class, we would call that part of the civil rights movement. It really was what, what really happened. He was working at the American tobacco company and when he started talking to the union people, he was fired from America. That's when he got a job at

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League of the Mass. And I guess he didn't learn his lesson because he goes, he went right off and, and gets involved in the union there. And that would have been probably just after World War Two sort of or no, it wasn't before, even before it

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was before because, yeah, that was before because, um, he was already in the union and working with the union when I got married and I got married in 40 for this three. Are they, do you remember when they organized the, I don't remember the date specifically

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but I, I know that he worked very closely with it. Oh, it says here that his education was only to the fourth grade level and then he later went back and took classes during world war two. So, education was important to him. And were you, were

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you aware at the time that he was going back to classes? And did you talk about that? Oh, we did homework together. He talked about how important education was and, and always insisted that we get proper education and that kind of stuff. Ok. Um, did he

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serve in the, in any of the? No, neither, neither. He was too young for the first one and I'm a bit old for the second one. So, he sort of missed that. And when his activities in, um, in the community, how did they change during the

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war as the communities, as their concerns changed? Well, there were a lot of changes in the community after the, so, you know, the soldiers were stationed right there at Fort Bragg. Uh, not Fort Bragg. Um, mm. K Butner Butner, I think they sent to Butner down.

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But anyway, that's over there where the, um, where the hospital stuff is now. But so that's, that's where the camp was and the soldiers used to always come to Durham for relaxation and stuff. So, you know, this is the closest place. So it made a lot

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of changes in Durham for the soldiers to just sort of invade the sound. You know, we were, there, were there black soldiers, black and white soldiers, you know. So what was that? How did Durham take having they had to take it? What else could they do?

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They had buses running from here to the camp. A lot of people from um from Durham sought employment at the camp. So, you know, it, it was like a lot of people who could not get jobs at the factory, worked at the camp. So, you know,

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it was a two way thing so it had to be accepted. There must have been some conflict over it at times. There were conflicts, there was a riot in Durham uh over on fell street and um they, they uh sent buses, got all the soldiers back

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to the camp and, and shut, you know, they started refusing passes and things and I don't know what started the riot, but it was, it was something that happened between a civilian and a soldier that Booker spice was shot. I really don't know. I don't, I

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don't remember, I don't remember that. The way I heard it was that a, that a, a black veteran or or, or, or one of the boy, you know, guys from Butner said, had said something, something about a bus incident, you know where the, the the bus,

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the white bus driver was drunk or something. And, and he, he made the army guys, the black army guys go to the back of the bus and I don't, I don't, I didn't hear that story. I don't know there was a riot up there. Oh, that

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was a riot. Definitely because I was going with a soldier at the time and they just, you know, all the, all the guys had to go back to the base and they were not allowed to come in for several days until they got the mess straightened

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out. So it was, they shut them down for a while. Wow. And so you talked about your father's work, um, trying to help African Americans go to the polls and vote. Um And did you, did you notice any differences? Um, when the soldiers started to come

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in, um, in terms of increased interest in voting or I, I really don't know because at that time I wasn't old enough to vote. So I, I don't, uh I don't know about that. How successful was your father in getting people to, to vote? They listened

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to him very successful. Did they have concerns about voting in terms of? I think a lot of people did, but then I, I think he sort of convinced them that it was in their best interest to vote and, uh, you know, people who did not have

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a way to go to the polls he would see to it that they signed up so that they could get a ride to the, uh, polling places. And I think once they started voting, you know, they found out, you know, that maybe it was something that

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they should do and I, I think that, uh, that a lot of them did it. You must have been very proud of him. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was the apple of my eye. I can still, I can still tell was he part of an organization

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at that time? I mean, that was doing the voting things or was it, was it just him out there by himself? No, he wasn't by himself that he worked with the N A AC P. He worked with the uh committee on Black Affairs here in the

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city. I, that's he, you know, he was one of, one of the ones that helped to organize that committee. It, it went back a ways ever since I can remember. It's been a committee. So he knew Louis Austin and all that. Austin and he, he were

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running by us. They were running by this. Wow. Yeah. Ok. Um, he was, he remarried. Yes. Two times after my mother passed, I'm gonna leave you two ladies alone if that's all right. Um, my, um, my first stepmother worked for um, Doctor Warren, Doctor Sl Warren

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that the library was named after Stanford Warren. Uh, so she worked for that family at, in their home, helping to look after Mrs Warren and Doctor Warren because they had, by that time they had gotten old and needed some assistance. So she had worked with them

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and, um, that, that marriage relationship lasted for a while and then it broke up and then he married again after that. And how old were you when he remarried for the first time? Um, I must have been about 10. So you were, you were still pretty

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young? And did she have any Children that she had no Children? My Children, then he didn't get married again until after I had married. Mhm. So, ok. And, um, let's, this is your heart. Ok. And now what about, um, this article here that you brought in?

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Can you tell me why you brought this in? Um, when I, when I, when my husband came out of the service in 1940 4645 latter part of 45 early 46 his father was ill in New Orleans. So we had to go and see about her. So

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I moved from Durham to New Orleans. And um, uh, a lot of my Children were born in New Orleans. I have seven and, and so my baby girl was one of the girls who, um helped to integrate the schools in New Orleans. And uh that's a

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picture of her and uh and that's her daughter. And what is her name? Sylvia Branch. Sylvia New Church Branch. She works for the school board. Now, how old was she at the time? Six. How can she? So I was in 61 when, when they first integrated

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the schools there, when, when she integrated that school there, that school was only about four blocks from my house. And the other school that she would have been designated to go to as a black child was across Saint Charles Avenue, which was about 14 blocks. He

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had to go five by 14 blocks in order to get there. And I just did not see the reason for sending her that far as small as she was with some other Children when it was a school right around the corner from me, four blocks, four

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or five blocks. And so um the people who were in leadership in New Orleans in the N A AC P and the Parent Teachers Association uh work with me and um she was selected to go into the school on a trial basis. She and uh one

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of our neighbors and their pictures was uh the pictures that adorns this one. OK. That's a picture of me taking them to school. And um did you encounter any resistance from the the white community? They were out there and on both, both sides of the streets,

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it was the ugliest mob you have ever seen. But we were protected by the uh city police, the N A AC P. Um, they provided rides for us every morning to go take the Children to school until all of that stuff quieted down. See each other

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every day. Yeah. At first were, were you really concerned um, for her, for her well being or I wasn't concerned about her well being. Um, the teachers inside were very warm. They were very welcoming. There was one other little girl who had attempted to uh integrate

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the school system in New Orleans the year before and there was, there was a movie out about her and I can't think of that little girl's name now, but that turned into something really bad for the child. And for um the school system, it put a

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blot on the school system. So when uh we talked about integrating lusher, the teachers as a whole have made up their minds that it was gonna be a pleasant experience for the Children. They did not want to see what happened to the other child happened to

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the Children and they made it a really pleasant experience. So the problem was not um going into the school, the problem was getting to the school without incident with the protests resistance. And after after that, that happened just before I left New Orleans, our garage mysteriously

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got set on fire. Nobody that set on fire. We never did find out the cause. But you think it was, it was linked, it, it might have been linked. Did you, did you receive any other kind of threats? Did people call you or no? Who did

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not receive threats? Ok. And so she then didn't really experience any kind of um racism or discrimination by the other Children inside she may have. But I, you know, Children are very resilient and they, they play with who will play with them and then they just,

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you know, ignore the rest. So I, you know, I don't think the experience for her was traumatizing at all because, uh, the people who did not want to bother her didn't. And the people who, you know, some people kept their Children home from school for weeks

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or so and then eventually they drifted on back to school because their Children were the ones being deprived of an education. So, um, your daughter and um, your, her neighbor open the doorway then for, um, and how soon after when they started, did, um, did more

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and more Children start to, oh, each year more Children, each year after that, more Children came into the school system. So you must be pretty proud of your daughter as well as your father then? And do you attribute some of, you know, maybe your willingness, maybe

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when other people wouldn't send their Children at that time, do you maybe attribute it to your father and his? I'm sure it came from my background. I just knew it was something that needed to be done. It was the right thing to do at the right

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time. Um About 61 let's see, 2001, the um this school that she integrated, invited us back to the luscious school where she integrated and had a reunion and it was so wonderful. This picture here. No, the one that was on the back of the e this

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one shows her talking to the Children in the classroom. She and Tony, the other little girl's name was Tony. Went to each one of the classrooms and talked to the Children about how it was for them when they integrated the schools. And this little girl that's

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hugging her right now is the little girl that said she, she thought the little girl had a question and the little girl said, I don't have a question. I just wanna tell you how sorry I am that they treated you mean when you came to school

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and that just brought tears to my daughter's eyes. Yeah. And his one child that is just taking the blame for all of the hurt that's been caused for. And that's the child that she's reaching out to her on that picture. Isn't that amazing? It is. Um

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I'm sorry, what does your daughter do? Now? You were saying she is secretary at the um school board over here at the uh what's the name of the school board? Here. Um, full of school full. I, I live in Chapel Hill. But, oh, ok. Ok. Well,

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the, the, the school board building is right here downtown down. It's right over a couple of blocks. So she works there. She's getting ready to retire. So education has continued to play an important role in families which can probably be traced back to your father too.

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So, his influence continues in our family. Ok. Um, so this was some 40 years later then, right? This was 1961 and it was at uh lesser elementary school. So, um so you were living in New Orleans then? How was New Orleans different than Durham? Were there

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comparable differences in terms of maybe um the, the racial climate at the time tension? I think the racial tensions in the entire South were horrible at that time. I mean, everywhere you go, um uh blacks had to ride on the back of the bus. So they

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would ask you to get up and give you a seat to somebody who was of another color, that kind of stuff. So I, I don't think it was any different in the deep south than it was here in Durham. It was still how Murky Miss. Um

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was it different though, in terms of like your father had been a prominent well known figure within your community in Durham and, and now you've moved to New Orleans, did you feel um sort of a difference in that respect. Oh, what I did was affiliated myself

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with the parent teacher group and with the, um, NAACP and the activist groups that were working to promote our healthy atmosphere wherever I live. So, you know, working in low confines, I work with everybody. So it wasn't like I was ostracized into a black community and

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didn't have any contact with anybody else. So you can, you, you continue to be then a community activist in your own, right? And what kinds of problems did you encounter in New Orleans or, or what kind of issues, I guess were you primarily concerned with? Oh

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like if you go into a store and you might have to stand around a while before you get waited on or um there was um of course the division of where you could eat and, you know, in the restaurants and that kind of stuff, hotels, that

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kind of stuff. Um And of course, you know, the schools and how, how did you explain that to your own Children? I mean, did they ask questions about why this was? And we had, when Sylvia entered Lusher, there was um a psychologist who worked with the

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Children who had just entered the schools and he was very good about coming to the house and working with the family as a whole and um getting some ideas about how he was doing a book about the integration of schools. So I think that he and

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his wife helped us to work through some of the issues that you know, were confronting us um as far as being able to deal with what was going on with us. So I think that that was a great help to us. And did was your support

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amongst the white community for integration? Oh, yeah, the the board of the school pt A was integrated and uh you know, the black parents had to work with the other parents there. So I worked right along with them and was able to uh we were able

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to work together, see, eye to eye and form friendships and that kind of thing. So would you say then that the um resistance that was outside the protests and things were people who were perhaps not associated with the school? Then it may have been trying to

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stir up. It may have been and maybe it, it may have also been some of the people who were within the school, you know, I didn't know them very well. So I couldn't say well, you are not from this school. So there wasn't a lot of

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interaction in amongst you and the white parents just in PT A meetings. And OK. Um And how many Children did you say that you had seven kids? Um Was she the oldest of the seven? Oh, she's the youngest. So then your other Children had, hadn't had

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this experience with integration then. Um did they at any point enter integrated schools or did they continue to be, um, primarily in African American schools? I think by the time they got out of school, schools were just beginning to be integrated cause she was, she was

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six years younger than the next child. So they were like coming out of school while she was just going in. And so her experience then was significantly different than the other. Exactly. Exactly. Um, I don't know, you may not be able to answer this question but

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then she wouldn't have people who, uh, as her siblings wouldn't have understood the experience that she was going through at the time then. But was she still able to, to talk to them? They understood because they had to pick her up and, and, and, you know,

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like if she had an appointment or something, some of the older kids had to get her and get her to her appointment because I was working. Uh huh. So they understood what was going on but it, it just worked out. Ok. Um, ok. Um, so then

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you came back, you come back to Durham now? Uh, oh, yes. I've been in Durham now since 69. My father got ill and, uh, my mother got ill. So my stepmother was ill. So I, you know, running up and down the road trying to take care

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of them wasn't an easy job. So I just moved back home. Um, and had that, had Durham changed from, from when you had left significantly that you noticed, or I think, I think that Durham had changed in what ways? Um, I think that after the lunch

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county incidents, uh, here in Durham, I think Durham began to change after those, I kept up with it through the newspapers and stuff. So they changed for the better. Then I would think so. I would think so. Um, and do you, do you feel like it's,

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it's, does it continue to improve or what do you feel like the climate is right now? Um I feel like the climate is better now than it used to be. I really do. I think a lot of, a lot of people um here really understand what

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the South has been through and I, I think that it's done a lot to change. A lot of people's minds. Yeah. You, you know, changing people's minds is one thing you have to have a change in the heart. That's where it really stems from. And do

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you feel like maybe that's happened or is happening or I think it might have happened to some, but there are others where it may not have happened. And do you continue to experience any racism or discrimination here in the community that you personally? I have not?

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Cause I work with a lot of uh I work with the Duke University Retirement Organization and um other activist groups where, you know, I got some very dear friends in it. Mhm. So, you're, you're still continuing to be involved in the community. So, you should be

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proud of yourself. I hobble in there when I, when I'm able, physically able. Ok. Is there anything that I've missed about any of these, uh, that you think are important that you want, you wanna add to, or add to your, um, experiences with the civil rights

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movement, or? No, I think that pretty much it. And, oh, and what led you to come in today? How did you hear about this event? The newspaper article, I read, read the article in the newspaper and I just thought that it would be interesting uh knowing

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how hard my dad fought to get things going in Durham. Like they should be that, you know, some input from him would be good. How do, what do you think he would think about Durham today? I think he would be amazed. I think he would be

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amazed but I, I think that he would also say I knew it was gonna happen. He felt really strongly about that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So he would be pleased. II, I would think so. I would think so. And do you see others carrying on his

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memory or his legacy? Is he still remembered in, in the community? Do you know, or? Oh, there might be a very few uh someone said that Kelly Bryant was working with y'all. Kelly Bryant could be Kelly Bryant. Anyway. Kelly Bryant moved my father. Oh, ok. Ok.

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And I don't know if I would know him if I were to see him. But my sister said, uh, did you see Kelly Bryant? I said, no, she said, well, he knew dad. He was. So I, you know, I would not know Kelly Bryant if I

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saw him. But he, I think he was, um, very instrumental in helping to see that this all got to be, that's what newspaper article said. Anyway, did you see the article in the newspaper? I brought it that the gentleman who is here is actually my professor

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encourage us to come down and help. I cut the article out of the paper so I could remember to do this. Well, you um obviously you saved these. Do you have, um are these just among the um the articles that you've saved regarding uh your daughter's

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um her involvement with the integration? I have some um color pictures that, that were made when I went back to the reunion of the, when she went back to the reunion, I went with her and we have, have some color pictures and we have some other

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Mementos and other things that were given to us at that time. So you, you went back and you had that experience too. How was that like for you to see your dog? It was amazing. It was so amazing and the, the, the exhibits and all the

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things that they had put together and they were trying to teach the Children, you know, how hard it was for, you know, for integration and all of that to take place. Do you think that they understand? I really do. I really do. I think talking one

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on one with these kids who had been through that sort of gave them some insight into how hard it must have been at that time for them, especially for a little five year old to get up and apologize like she did. That was heartbreaking. But they

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had cultural activities like dances and singing and um they put on skits and it was a marvelous affair. And um I think that one of the originators told my daughter that they were gonna do it again in 10 years. So that would be 2, 2011. Um

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And did you could you tell by the makeup of the school and that things had really changed how far integration had come in that community? Um Yeah. Yeah, because they did not have any black teachers at that time. Would you believe the lady who was principal

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came back for the reunion? She really did. And I it was just so nice to see her. She, so this was obviously an event had that affected um all kinds of people, this this integration in the school that your daughter was such a part of. Did

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your daughter talk to you about how she felt? About going back and, oh, she was excited to go back. She was really excited to go back. Do you think that at the time when she was going through the experience that she felt, it was really, I

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guess barrier breaking and I don't think that she understood then that it was barrier breaking. It was just, you know, first place. She was excited because this was her first year in school. I mean, you know, and so, but she understands it now, she understands it

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now. And um how does she feel about having been involved in that? So, subsequently, uh she has a lot of feelings about it. Uh Right now she is in her last year of ministerial school. And so she um she thinks a lot about it and she

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understands a lot of things. Well, what was really eye opening for her was that she saw the other side of the same thing because when we moved from New Orleans, we moved to Washington DC. And um there they were beginning to integrate the schools there and

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she was able to minister to a little white girl who felt ostracized in the black schools there. So she was able to really understand what that little girl was going through and she took her to be her friend and, and she became accepted because she was

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Sylvia's friend. So, yeah, you know what goes around comes around. Yeah, at that time. So um um but then your father had been involved in church activities as well. Was the church a significant, um, sort of, or played a significant role in his community activities? In

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what way? Very significant. Well, uh, when we were growing up there wasn't much else to do except to go to church. All of our activities revolved around the church. So, what church did, um, did your father say Saint Mark Me church? Ok. Um, do they do

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a lot of work with poverty or? Um, oh, what kind of activities were they primarily concerned with? The church? Was just uh a community place? Um, where, you know, if the N A AC P needed a place for meetings, they could meet at our church. If

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the committee on Black Affairs needed a meeting place they could meet in our church. Um The other thing is that when politicians um are running for office, they usually come to our church um looking for votes, of course, and uh those kinds of things. So the

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church was sort of the center of everything that went on around us. So is the foundation? Ok. Ok. Um Was there um specific significance to this particular article amongst the ones that you brought in with your daughter that um perhaps this, I don't know if you

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had other articles that why you picked this one in particular or those were the, were the major ones that I could put my hands on. Um We have some other pictures that, uh, of her in groups of Children and some of the activities that went on

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at the reunion that, uh, that we had. Ok, I'll get this back to you too. Ok. Um, ok, I will need go with this, um, this is a release for this interview, um, so that they can use it, um, written for research or, and also on

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the web because they're also going, um, to be, I guess putting things on the web for people to access to get greater information about the civil rights movement. OK. Where do I sign um signature so that your your father's story and his involvement can continue to

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be learned by others. Yes. Do we have your address and information um on the other form. Did you fill out that on? I'll fill it out right now. Well, we thank you for coming. Um Was there anything else that you thought was important about your experiences

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that you wanted to share or do you think we covered? I think we pretty much it. Well, I thank you for coming in today. Not at all. Ok. And this is I thank you. Did I get all my pictures back? Um these but these are the

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stands let me go find out about. Yeah, that's what I need. I need to get a hot. Ok. Um I did that for you. I'll be right back. So if you don't want to get up and walk around. I can get that for you and I

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will be right back. Ok. Thank you. Grams. Find a way to talk about it twice. Yeah, but there's still no watch your breath sounds sal they should be, I don't know how to shut it off. Uh,

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it was closed. We don't know how to turn this off. Now, push the button with the.